Interview with Tim Frick

0:00 — I heard an interview of Bill Hader on Conan where hater described his favorite Simpsons joke he said it was so good it made him angry Tim Frick is so good he makes me angry we have a Tim fruit guitar at lark Street it's a little brown guitar it's easy to miss in a SHOP full of guitars designed to demand your attention but if you give it a look it draws you in it's like one of those albums of 15 years later after countless listens you still hear something new I've handled Tim's guitar I don't know how many times now and every time I pick it up I see some new incredibly tasteful detail that flies in the face of the CNC age I always ponder it for a moment I look at it I always think you son of a [ __ ] I hope you enjoyed the interview with Tim the dude as a master and you're alive with Tim Frick Tim how are you doing man do we need to do we need to can we can we talk about moustaches just just real quickly I just lost you again I got to have that

1:00 — window open apparently okay okay so I'm glad I didn't lose you completely so I love the mustache is this is this a normal thing or is this a pandemic thing or is this like lying about it's an occasional thing sometimes you know I was shaving the other night and I got I got this part and I got up to here and I just gave up that's it yeah so you you have a significant other right yeah and when you when you exited the bathroom and you made your first appearance was what kind of reaction did you get it was kind of like okay all right so it's fine so I think I gotta ask you you know we we spent some time together at the Gallup thing we did that whole what you know

2:00 — had you out for Woodstock and stuff I know I ever really got much of a background on you like did you did you start out we did you do an apprenticeship she'd go to school or were you kind of a self-starter and if you were a self-starter kind of how did how did that what did that look like yes all started I started making guitars in high school it's a third playing base when I was 14 and then because I've been making things that would pretty much my whole life you know can I stop you just just for a second so this was sharpening on your radar before you even got into guitars or was it or was or it was too old we're tools kind of on your radar before before guitars well yeah okay yeah yeah my dad gave me a pocketknife probably when I was three or four you know or closing it on my thumb one time yeah you know probably way too young to be walking around with a pocketknife but

3:00 — you know whittling just and then I got into wood carving and like Boy Scouts Cub Scouts what chopped in junior high in high school and then I started playing bass and just put the two things together right it I ordered a Stu Mac fretless neck and I I made a body for it and I made a neck and then I made a neck through and you just you know what year did what year would you say that was that you got the board of the frontlets neck I made the the body 89 maybe oh my god so so this - Mac catalog was just a thin little this is still thin little thing so you made the you made the you made the body and then you and then you made the neck so you you get into like you know throw in a truss rod into stuff and getting kind of into the more you

4:00 — know people tend to get intimidated by the neck so you were not intimidated and you decided I'm going to learn this truss rod stuff and yeah the got to do it that Melvin was at milk yes yes yeah I had that one I never wound up making anything based on that book but I remember thinking it was well-written like it was yeah there was some good information in there that I think a lot of the other books of the day kind of glossed over so I can't remember his name but it is a good I think it's still probably a pretty good book for freaking started so you go and you uh you built this and you're like something something snapped in you and you decided you wanted to have a career it's kind of doing it or did it did it kind of happen more organically than that did you walk into a shop and well yeah well that happened later so I took

5:00 — I made electric guitars for four or five years and then I took Tom Rebecca's archtop class probably 94 95 and then I started making garnish tops that's how I got into that and that and that was you know pretty kind of pre-internet still there wasn't Bob in a nose book had just come out so there wasn't a ton of you couldn't go online and just watch YouTube videos all day you know so seeing actually someone make a guitar start to finish in one week every step of the process was it explained a lot I mean it gave me a good understanding of how it's done and also that it is doable yeah it's it's the one that's here yeah I mean there's a lot of steps involved in building a term there's a lot of fear involved in each step you know like it's easy to get get bogged down and think

6:00 — you're never gonna get through to the last step you know like I think for a lot of people that kind of get started having that seen it done and and and be more of a process a complete process is pretty powerful for a lot of people I think so Rebecca and so was that it was that a course was he doing a school or was that I like come come hang out in my workshop and yeah I don't know if he's still doing it I went to one it might have been the last one you did it was a couple year you may still be doing it but it's this thing he does every year it's a week-long you know maybe have been five people in that class it's pretty small and it's just early morning to whenever you quit in the day for however long it take I think it was 78 so are you are you as a student are you start to finish in a guitar in that time or at least getting

7:00 — it into the white or is it or is it I I'm never working on one guitar every day until start Union there's always you know I've always got more than one guitar going and repair stuff Nixon oh no I meant it at the school was he was he getting people to an in the white oh no we were it wasn't it wasn't hands-on no it was it was watch me watch me do this yeah okay yeah and take as many pictures as Iran you know copy is templates as jigs whatever it is just a great sharing of information cool yeah so use based on the rebecky class that's where you switched from doing kind of solid body electric sand and you started doing your own arch tops and start started going down that path are you still in San Francisco at this point or

8:00 — no I mean yeah yeah was in the bay I think I was going to school and you just a barber or I was a Cal arts for two and a half years I went I went to music school I got a degree in jazz bass and then I you know making guitars whenever I can mhm you know like me coming home in the summer at my parents garage so you were at your garage shopping up for a while just to just to get going don't well I mean yeah but so and then when did you start looking at doing some repair to

9:00 — kind of like keep keeping the keep in the mix and kind of like get here to get your day filled with guitars rather than it kind of be in yeah well okay so I think I was 25 I just graduated from college I was living in San Francisco I had a job at a furniture shop which ended abruptly that's a whole nother story but so I was on point for a while I had this electric case that I knew and I took it down to real guitars try and sell it so I could pay my rent okay yes I am today I am so so Gary took you on

10:00 — and your and you and you were just like that was that was basically the start of your like full-time career in guitars do you think sure yeah trial by fire as far as repair goes I think I made 60 some-odd electric and fewer stops by then but I hadn't done much repair at all yeah and as you know it's quite a different there's a lot of overlap but it's a whole different set of skills it is a whole different set of school skills and you know I can you know as a as a custom builder I can tell that you've you've spent time in a repair like like guys will do building and they'll do a little bit of repair on the side kind of thing but I can tell just by looking at your friends that you've spent time actually repairing not like it's it's pretty obvious I'm looking at your guitars that you're kind of a double threat that way so what do you and I was always curious about that so

11:00 — did did you ever have like so have you always been kind of like kind of a double trajectory or have you you know where you kind of go in just whichever way the the work takes you or what's your kind of how are you feeling about all that stuff I guess well you know the last 18 years or so repair I've been full-time prepare but I've also had a shop at home or at least access to a shop for most of that time so you know I've always been making instruments and that's always been kind of what I wanted to do you know it's it's tough making them hard thing selling them yeah I mean Paris steady work it's it's steady work yeah it's it's uh it's it's available you know and

12:00 — it also like it it can employ it can be important to inform the work you know in in construction to I think like oh you dep yeah you see other other designs fail or you see you know one of the things in repair we see a lot is a lot of indie builders that just have no idea what they're doing and they're trying some some crazy stuff and yeah you get it you get a sense that way like like if you thought about having some kind of wild recurve on your guitar or something like that you see somebody else's wild recurve maybe like alright normal recurve is fine you know yeah you know I've seen a lot of guitars come in that the woodworking is great you know maybe this guy was a cabinet maker or a furniture maker and you started making guitars and the the woodworking was tight but then you look at the frets and you look at the fingerboard and it's just I think my work is something that a

13:00 — lot of guitar makers kind of don't spend enough time on yeah it's kind of oh this last thing yeah we put the finish on you I can understand it too because it is the last thing and you're probably like as you get to that you know like I've built a couple mandolins and like that that kind of chain of incompetence that moves through a build where you're just like you're not happy with this one thing at the very beginning but you still got to get it done anything you get you know you almost got like this love-hate relationship with the instrument probably by the time that you're getting done with that they're probably just like oh but the so you you were getting back to the repaired trajectory you were at Gary's for a number of years and then you you wound up moving up to Palo Alto and rubble yet Lebanese runs with Frank yeah

14:00 — dare to a week about three over three years right before I moved up to Portland and that was I mean Brian Michael because they were looking for people you know because it's as you know it's tough to find people who do this work and they have experience and that in the case of Griffin can afford to live in pound one you know you know it's a you know I never have now I I went and I interviewed at Santa Cruz once in the 90s and they wanted to pay me $9 an hour to go live in Santa Cruz and so that didn't work out but I have no experience in that in that area just trying to make it as as a loose down there but so what

15:00 — the so you got on and did when you went there did you kind of did you kind of know the history of the of the place and kind of its yes you know Frank's Frank's place in the repair world yo yeah I mean fretts calm was one of the early resources I spent countless hours on that yeah hooking up stuff and you know I looked at it as an opportunity it's just a day a week or two to go down and hang out with Frank Ford yeah take his brain yes so what I've been a ton of stuff how long were you there three well over three years yeah so was it in that brain pic and it was it like was it like everything you hope for everything you hoped for and more yeah yeah because yeah the amount okay so we're gonna Gary's up in San Francisco D

16:00 — I guess a lot of the older Martin's just ended up at Griffin yeah didn't get as many of them and so you know in 17 years there I've been at least seen one 18 unders month like any random day of the week or year a Griffin there's gonna be at least one of them there so just having access to those instruments and and to Frank and Richard to just know everything about him even ask him any question you know what like when did when what year did they stop doing the joint on the heads to the you know the dark yeah yeah yeah and and he's gonna rattle it right off isn't he yeah oh yeah oh man I that's one thing I just I've never I can't crack books on I get

17:00 — guitars at all I could just like it just makes me sleep I wish I wish I could I wish I could hang out with a guy like that and just kind of get it through osmosis because that's the only thing is you eight guitars I do hate guitars kind of love i lovingly hate them so uh so at four at Griffin for three years and you're like plugging away and and you're did you did you get into any of the kind of machinist stuff that Frank is getting up to now or did you see like did you develop any kind of love for any of the that was kind of like side side hustles and stuff that the Franks well okay so when I was there he he made I don't know if you saw this he made a bass banjo I saw that I saw the this stuff yeah it was the rim he machined all the parts yeah he made the tuners yeah he's good planetary gear tuners it

18:00 — was just um I don't know how many hours he put it in that day it was beautiful yeah and yeah yeah I mean I machining and that's a whole nother lifetime I would want to learn about that stuff but you know yeah it it does seem like one of those things like I thought maybe I'd dip my toe on and I watched some I watched some YouTube videos on it and it was like yeah it's like if I had another lifetime and I could start out it like knowing absolutely nothing and having this mountain of information to try to get through like made it but yeah not not this lifetime so so you are so now you we just omit mckusker says Melvin his [ __ ] that's right that's the guy's name so so then you you work for for Frank

19:00 — for three years and then that's where you decide to move up to Oregon yeah in the city which had a garage in the backyard but then the owner's son moved in and I got the boot so I ended up in a really small apartment my girlfriend and you know San Francisco rents it there's just no way we could stay so we someone so now we got a house I got a big garage for my shop well I think that let's uh so you're up in Portland what shop are you working out in Portland if people want to get are you working through shop yeah it works okay easily and if people want to if people want to reach out to you for repair how do they get you I just might email your email 9000 gmail

20:00 — ah so do you know any of the previous eight thousand nine hundred and ninety nine ten pricks or is it nope no okay yeah so Emmett and Custer says Rebecca is taught to stop teaching so let's do let's yeah let's do some shop tourist stuff okay should we start with your would stasher how do you - how do you how do you about how you want to talk about this okay I'll flip this camera around let's do that okay so oh [ __ ] look at this oh yeah you're sitting here a little wet you see that I see 42 and I think that's 42 I think you can build at that over

21:00 — here is it's an ex-con with spruce and maples cedar walnut stuff free stock so you're not you're not curing there you're just you're just keeping that you just keep it that acclimated for for a reasonable humidity right yeah I just keep all the wood that I can fit in there you know anything that is gonna be a guitar in the next year or two or three or four if I can fit it in there and also stuff that I'm working on you know it at least until I get the top in the back we do the sides I'll have it a little dry box yeah hey to your left there I see a guitar hanging is that is that is that is that your spray area or is that just a curing area that's just hanging up this is a little some big leaf maple yeah ed Gilman oh

22:00 — you yeah it's right you're right let's just eat Gilmer now yeah I can write my back demo oh [ __ ] so uh what what's their what's their situation like is it is it like a big warehouse where you can go in and just kind of go through the stacks or is it or is it kind of like off limits yeah dick it there so there's a big kind of a big place that I don't know if you're allowed to really browse around it but there's also another room which is a lot of it is guitar wood stuff that's cut for guitars that's all it's all sealed up and numbered and you can go and just pick out what you want good hey Chris Chris wanted to talk about pencils I think we'll do that in a little bit but I had I had a question for you is it possible to get a good modern pencil sharpener what are you using for

23:00 — a pencil that's what you're using okay I would imagine if you if you sharpen that led that thing's ready for action so it works pretty good okay so moving along on the shop tour Liz let's talk about that bench did you build that bench or is that a yeah is that a store-bought bench so it's about four inches thick which is wide seven feet long it's top of solid birch you know I I read a couple books about workbench building by Chris Schwarz you know again I don't I'm not up on work benches other than that I

24:00 — know when I see it I'm like yes I get excited used to have a really good woodworking blog he's the editor for one of the woodwork magazines but you wrote a couple books about workbenches and it's you know I ended up making a bench that's quite different than what I would have otherwise made real simple you know the belt the legs are flush at the top you know hold fast here you can clamp things to the side for working on edges you know bench dogs safe dogs bench dogs for the for the vise clamping boards and okay shooting board right here this is something that I really recommend having I got it you know on the left side of my band setup I have a left-handed shooting

25:00 — ling just because that's kind of fits with how my benches say that but you know you want to square up the end of a board boom you want to trim something real quick it's you know instead of walking to a distant or a lot of times I'll just cuz I don't have a dist Center this is a really great thing to have it super handy yet it's always there always ready to go now that looks cool so is that a shooting plan because it's got a it's got an angle to handle or what yeah it's holy moly you know I I made up some different things what's all you got an adjustable adjustable mouth on that yeah yeah dude that's that's pretty crazy yeah it's it's in this crew yeah I had figured out that it went back and forth but at the at the the handle like that is that like a li Valley or what is that

26:00 — [Music] we Nielsen makes one - but at the time they didn't make a love changes version so are you let are you left-handed or do you have a reason for for southpaw on that well partly left-handed I think I'm I do a lot of things left-handed but just kind of look because I have my vice yeah and there with this you know because then I can have boards long boards going out being supported by the bench they have to something it just fits with my [ __ ] setup so let's let's uh since we since we talked about the planes let's talk about the the sharpening really quick if you do you have more that you want to say about the bench keep going on the bench planes are awesome yeah I got about half my planes are about half

27:00 — Japanese half Western you know I I like to use both for different applications different things my chisels you can see you're almost almost all Japanese but is that because is that because of the quality of the stealer is that because there's kind of the the hollow the hollow grind that they they like to do or I think there's just no just no advantage to a Western chisel but there's no reason except that they're cheaper maybe I don't know yeah I mean Japanese chisels are the Steel's better they're way easier to sharpen but there's another thing I want to show you real quick oh I set up this see that I

28:00 — can't device like tilt down just just to just a skosh there we go okay they used to make it and it'll make it it's a copy of the old Emmer Henry get your scrape on sides yeah oh man do that that's Uptown how does that sound yeah that devices so that's a sweet that's a

29:00 — pattern maker advice you said yeah yeah it's uh what's it called very touched it but they stopped making because they were what they were like six hundred bucks yeah remember those yeah which for advice it's a lot of money but no it's just not enough people were buying room yeah but I honestly I can see why you why you've got one I mean Oh unless unless you're gonna like you know go to all the trouble of getting vacuum fixtures you know for for hold downs for scraping and stuff like that that's that's that's perfect and vacuum vacuum step isn't cheap either so yeah yeah so what you want to talk about sharp Nana oh yeah okay so I it doesn't usually look this clean I it's usually flooded with you know stone or residue and is okay but I cleaned up this video so I've

30:00 — just got three main stones 1000 mm these are Shapton and 8000 tucky no coal and I got my water thing here I got a little squirt bottle just you know squirt squirt it up and then sharpen one end I don't know if you can see but the height the height you know the finish stone cuz I'll pretty much only ever use a finishing stone for the back of a chisel you know occasionally the me meeting stone but you know like if it's a brand-new tool and I need to flatten the back initially I love use all three but you know see that it cleared the height because this stone was high yeah well

31:00 — these are those stones low because you've just worn them down or they're these Cogley they're partly hey going back up the the block that's on top of your water tub there is that what you're using to trap your stones yeah this is a piece of glass okay with the piece of wood glued to it and I just put this is what 180 grit or 329 and you know it's a good idea it could have it to get into after you sharpen flatten your stones yeah that way they're always ready to go and you're more more likely to come over and sharpen your tools yeah it's it's it's frustrating to stop it's frustrating and enough to stop what you're doing because you realize that you you could be sharper without going over and after they screw around with the work station that isn't ready to go you're absolutely right so let's see it you got a couple guides up there are you

32:00 — using geyser yeah are you free ball right I use this one for Western played play waits mostly the Japanese tools you know the bevel is just a flat plane yeah and then the back is so the back is hollow ground so the very little steel is touching the stone and most of the front bevel is soft iron so it's you know so do you do you ever have to rehaao the back of those Japanese stones or do you ever get get down there the chisels well with the chisel you just if you start running out of flat in the middle there just kind of work the edge you know on a plane bite the liner you can you can tap them out you can kind of hit it hit them from this side with the hammer and bend it out a little bit Tom create the flat I've never taken a hammer to my chisel but there's been times that I wanted to yeah let's see so

33:00 — what's that to the left there what's what's that little hold down this thing yeah that's a natural stone friend of mine actually got this from he went to the mine in Kyoto and brought it back for me so what what is that for is that the Nagar is don't know this is just a very fine finishing stone it's from you know probably around 20,000 oh so that's that's like kind of your strop strop phase then or yeah for everything yes like if I'm finished planing something or I need you know cutting some crumbling and grain with the chisel I need a super sharp edge yeah you know day to day of finishers with the eight dozen so one thousand two thousand and then eight thousand correct good okay so no no four thousand well all right

34:00 — I'm I'm I'm keeping track of this because I need anything I need a new intermediate stone and I haven't decided what to get but I'm gonna yeah I've been using this set up for a long time yeah great and also I have one of these dates a little microscope kind of thing you can and has a light on it you can get a really good close-up view of your edge oh good so what I did was I you know go hit the thousand grit and then hit the two thousand grit and you know go like go maybe this one side to side and this is straight on and count how many strokes it takes until these scratches disappears oh that's a good idea yeah and it's you know otherwise you could be just wasting a lot of time yeah waste

35:00 — don't wanna so let's take a look at your grinder it doesn't look like you any kind of fancy it's just whatever I mean you're not even you're not even like using a white stone or kind of what what angle are you liking for the for the bench grinder good it's it's it's steep enough that it'll work because I use this with my Western plane blade mostly and maybe a couple chisels but it's deep enough that I can or shallow enough that I can come back and you know increase the angle I've got I've got one of these things here a little you know you put the blade in and then just push the like a little stop it sets the angle so for different planes I have different

36:00 — angles you know like for you know so that's all told if we young person wanted to get into sharpening I mean you're looking at like probably a $20.00 bench grinder used at a at a yard sale you got like probably a couple hundred bucks and and stone water stones right yeah and then you know like you're not breaking the bank with fancy like a fancy set up here and you're getting things real sharp yeah yeah real sharp real quick yeah yeah because these stones are pretty aggressive and if you keep them flat you keep them fresh they you know they they do a great job have years I have yet what's that in a short amount of time yeah have you ever guessed around with any of the kind of you know I got one of those flattening stones but you know the one with the with the grooves cut in it and I was right on time making the aren't I making

37:00 — that thing unflattering loss block I feel like that's yeah I feel like this this thing is okay but then you have to buy the powder the the carborundum whatever it is these sprinkle it works it works well but you have to buy that it's more stuff to buy you know this is a piece of glass with some sandpaper on it yep got plenty of sandpaper around alright so let's see moving to the right you got like a little bit top thing yeah I got a little drill press here with the milk milk crate very low-tech I got a little jointer here six-inch Rockwell old-school I can't believe you have a what are you just getting it close with that and then you're going back to the shooting and I just use this for hog and stuff I would never live yeah that's not your

38:00 — finishing up you know I was I was clean but I've had this jointer since junior high well it's good still got a still got a home oh whoa whoa whoa whoa you gotta get a room too legit to quit table saw back in there is that a cabinet huh yeah it's a old paramedical Oh before the mustard yellow oh my god probably from the 60s a friend of mine got it from a high school woodshop in Oakland give it to me so you move that up from the bay area yeah you have any designs to do you press that into service or yeah mostly for fret slots yeah you know as far as guitar oh yeah the only thing I use it for cutting frets laughs and this Laguna 14 inch bandsaw very useful yeah yeah they Laguna really stepped up through a game recently I noticed and they were

39:00 — always high-end stuff but they they stepped up like kind of like that their 14-inch offerings seem like they does that have the euro euro blade guides or is that ball bearing or is this there's like a ceramic yeah get behind this I've had this since probably oh four oh five it's a NOLA but it's been great yeah and ever since I got this side I stopped using the table saw for a lot you know so much you can do with the bandsaw you would otherwise do because you're getting because you're getting that straight a cut yeah and I got a core knife later on here now but usually I'll have this it's the resawing this is the quarter inch it's got the carbide tips that are welded on you can you got a fresh one out you can cut like 12-inch oak yeah straight edge on and it's dead

40:00 — flat cool is that is that longer true is that lumber that was to your left there yeah just some just whatever stuff I had a cool so where are you where are you finishing that show you right out here oh that's nice yeah so I got a thing here a guitar on that uh-huh okay you and I are going to talk after this I I think I know some people in Portland I think I can get you some booth time unless unless you like I mean do you feel like like some day like the old Jurassic Park a nap you know be able to bring in that back to life from from my drilling into your guitar finish it could happen so we've been going at this

41:00 — for 40 minutes I knew that was gonna breeze by like a summer day I'd like to open it up to anybody that's in the chat start started asking those questions we already had a pencil question and I wanted to ask you on the pencil front you showed me you came out when you were staying in New York you were like I gotta go to the pencil store and I was like the pencil store and I thought you were joking but now you trundled off to the pencil store and came back with some crazy pencils the one that stuck out was the one that was you could write in pencil but then somehow it transferred an ink copying copying pencil that's what they say yeah yeah they used to use them for shipping labels and I think for some legal documents you know it's graphite with aniline dye mixed in it so you can write and then you get it what they

42:00 — would do they would get some like tissue paper it's a really thin paper and then they would get it wet and put it on it and it would kind of activate the dye and that would transfer on to the other paper so you get a a backward copy of it it's you know make him they don't make him anymore that I was just wondering what like would that be great for like I wonder if that would be good for like if it would have any use for like doing shims on a dovetail or something like that if there was no there's gotta be something because and because it'd be good to bring him back I mean that's it that that pencil that pencils too damn fancy - yeah you know be left in the dustbin of history for a minute I was trying to maybe do receipts with him you know press

43:00 — [Laughter] that's pretty artisanal I don't know if I don't know I mean you're in Portland now so maybe maybe people would really get into that so yeah is anybody got any any questions for Tim in the chat I don't know let me just go back do you want to show off any of your pencils do you have any other pencils out in the in the shop okay I got a couple here uh-huh most of the good ones are inside but okay this is one of my favorite this is [ __ ] well I'll just this one said Ticonderoga huh plastic ferrule yes World War two yeah oh my goodness so

44:00 — that's that's that's a Adirondacks truth isn't it my understanding was that that Martin got run I had heard a rumor that Martin had gotten run out of Adirondack spruce by a Ticonderoga like they they cut it all down for pencils yeah I was an old old rumor I heard I don't know there's a [ __ ] that yeah yeah definitely the modern ones are definitely what question round but yeah I think the old Ticonderoga is were Adirondack but yeah just hold it up and give a little give a little give a little tap there it's no tap so this test is there anything anything else you want to show us that he cool oh I got a salt I got I got I got a segment what what is your widget what's your widget okay yeah I picked out a few things just a couple tools that some people might not know about

45:00 — that I have found useful that's good okay double locking caliper yeah it's useful for measuring the thickness of a neck with the strings on so you can undo this screw and you know put it down measure the tighten it and then you undo

46:00 — this one and then it oh and then and then you and I go ahead it's got a registration oh look at that yeah yeah if you you know trying to duplicate a now you don't want to take the strings off it's it's kind of Andy I think I think that's that's a good way I can already think of where I can't already think of but if I if I was around in the shop I think I did I think I'd get pressed into service in a couple couple different things you know it's amazing when you have something like that around like it's just like sitting there on the back of your mind and just all of a sudden you think about it yeah little things like that you don't use every day but we need it's just yeah okay don't play the whole play yes so in repair we use a lot of Dells rah so how many would like how do you make

47:00 — it down you just chuck it in a drill put on the belt sander twirl it around here you can take I'll just show you like this okay okay take a square piece of wood look at that so you know you can make dolls out of any kind of wood you want any size so was that got like a burr on it how is that cut in or is it or are you just forcing it through yeah it's hardened steel the top corner is sharp and it kind of flares out a little bit on the back okay back side so the back sides a little bit larger diameter oh yeah so you just you

48:00 — know can make mahogany dowels Paul Paul wants to know where it work is that like an MSc thing can you can you really Nielsen Oh leave Neil's this one okay it's just super handy to have a do they have I mean is that is that what what you see in sizes is they're do they have like they have metric sizes and stuff like that too or they might well I'm sure you can get him they flee me listen doesn't if somebody does or you just make him yourself I mean the old-school way of doing it is get a piece of metal a drill hole on it you know so Paul Paul wanted to know about Nagar stones so I don't really use them not much I I don't know a ton about you know when I the times that I used him you know I didn't know anything about him either and I felt I felt like I was sharpening with whatever the the grit of the Nagar a stone was for the

49:00 — first little bit and I thought it felt like I was going backwards in in grits so I don't know so you don't know I've used them too I kicked your stomach glazes over a little bit yeah just kind of brush it up a little bit and you know like creating a slurry you know some people who were really ended sharpening you know they say it creates a wave of grit ahead of it kind of ever-so-slightly rounds over the edge so and he he said and this is it this is an interesting question too so you don't so cure stones all the time you you let the work to dry out I was always brought up saying your stones will crack if you if you keep them drive so that's all we

50:00 — experienced no no so the two chapman stones they don't soak up water at all you know you just splash a little on and they're good to go the takenoko will suck it up you could soak it I don't knows are those synthetic stones or those are those matter synthetic and the one natural these natural stones they say don't soak them okay it's not good for oh okay what about have you messed around with any of the new diamond stones that they that they're coming out with really a friend of mine was saying there they're getting Dimond up into like like pretty pretty high grits I don't know if it's worth worth checking out but yeah I have a coarse diamond I don't know who makes it but kind of a nice thing to have if you want to just really hack out you get a chip in your blade or you want to change a bevel angle Bianchi you no

51:00 — longer yeah Danny west of West guitar works wants to know if you have any experience with pmv 11 I'm not familiar with that oh this steel yeah you know what I had a PNP 11 blade for my shooting plane and it had a pretty low angle cuz it's a you know she will plane used a lot for Ingram shooting angry mm-hmm you know what's what's it say what's its claim to fame is it like soft and easy to get get up or is it hard and holds the other party's [ __ ] and it's super because there's hardness and then there's sharpen ability you know toughness harness the toughness yeah you can have a really hard steel that will abrade on a stone pretty easily but the pan be 11 super hard to sharpen takes for it just feels like glass on the stone and in my

52:00 — experience it didn't hold an edge that well at a lower angle i steepened it up a little bit and it did better but I wasn't okay Alex Jones wants to know are you an extra guy DS do you simulate string tension when you're fretting four bases you have to yeah um guitars I don't okay but I used to make a lot of electric basses and you know if I'm doing a refresh on a bass every time because it just moves too much you know you know I'd rather not be guessing what's gonna happen yeah so you're saying that what you get with string tension is not remotely what you get like without string tension on the so your your your level and the frets with the string tension simulator yeah

53:00 — okay I'm jeez I just suggest you I just got one I had some early ones from I had an early one from Steve it just didn't come with enough information well he just froze yeah we dropped we dropped a call for a sec so it didn't come with enough information and be real to really know what I was doing with it this is back in the 90s and then Dan sent me this this new one and I used it because I had a twisted neck on a good ol that was it would twist under string tension but it would be completely flat without string tension so know that in order to plan it out I had to simulate the toilet request and kind of all the way I would do it would be to grab it and kind of force it into a twist and try to stand up while I'm like a monkey fooling with it and so on this one I just had to spool clamps on the very end of it that I tacked down one was pushing down on the peghead and the other one was pushing up on the

54:00 — other side so it was twisting it and then I had another jack that was in the middle that was simulating the the relief and you know it did it and by God you know like it made my job easier for having it so sure I probably would have maybe passed on the job without it and maybe I would have sent it maybe I would have sent it to somebody with a plaque or something but but I mean before before this and I'm gonna give I told Dan I give it a fair shake and I hope on my channel to get a bunch of people that are like you know daily driving with neck jigs to come on and really line me out on how to set it up go through their experiences of why they do it and stuff because for me you know like you know you know time is money and and spending a lot of time putting a guitar a new neck it's got a kind of well I will say it was nice because I wind up beveling

55:00 — the threats with it in the neck jack jig and it was nice having that like the guitar is just strapped down yes like it's just one less thing you know what when you're bevel you know you hate it when the beveling block comes out an

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